MAFS Star Ella Morgan "You Say I'm Crazy, You're With Katie Price Now!" Most Trans People Attempt To Take Their Lives

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1. 0:00 Intro
2. 1:27 Ella Being a Trans 'Advocate' Not an Activist
3. 3:41 Ella Explains 'Dead-Naming'
4. 6:14 Why Did Ella Go on MAFS?
5. 9:53 Ella's Relationship History Before MAFS
6. 12:07 Safety as a Trans Person
7. 14:40 What Were Ella's Lessons from MAFS?
8. 20:18 Ella's 'Ill-Advised' Relationship on Celebs Go Dating
9. 23:26 Adobe Ad
10. 24:26 Tinder Ad
11. 25:18 Ella's Reaction to Three-Year-Old Evan
12. 27:54 What Was Ella's Childhood Like?
13. 30:10 Ella's Experience at School
14. 31:54 Societal Scripts Around Gender
15. 33:44 When and How Ella Realised She Was Trans
16. 36:51 Ella's Experience of Bulimia
17. 43:52 Ella's Experience of Suicide at 16
18. 50:01 Ella Coming Out as Trans to Her Mum
19. 54:04 Ella First Presenting as a Woman
20. 55:44 How the Rest of Ella's Family Found Out Her True Identity
21. 57:34 Ella's Dad Joins the Conversation
22. 58:59 How Did Chris Find Out About Ella's True Identity?
23. 1:00:53 How Did Chris Feel When He First Found Out About Ella?
24. 1:02:56 Paul Shows Chris a Picture of Him and Ella from 2001
25. 1:04:43 What Were Chris' Hopes and Dreams for Ella as a Child?
26. 1:06:25 How Chris Dealt with Changing Terminology After Finding Out
27. 1:09:10 When Did Chris Realise Ella's Identity Wasn't Just a Phase?
28. 1:11:02 Public Reaction to Ella Presenting as a Woman
29. 1:12:49 Ella's Experience of Gender Reassignment Surgery
30. 1:15:27 Chris' Experience of Ella's Transition Surgery
31. 1:17:13 Stats on Suicide in Transgender People
32. 1:17:57 Ella's Second Experience with Suicide
33. 1:19:42 How Did Chris Deal with Ella's Suicide Attempt?
34. 1:21:35 How to Hold Space for Someone in Crisis
35. 1:22:29 What Is the 'Work' for Families During a Transition?
36. 1:25:29 Support for Parents of Transgender People
37. 1:27:23 What Ella's Transition Means to Chris
38. 1:29:26 Paul and Chris' Experience of Transphobia Among Friends
39. 1:31:02 Why Ella Is the Bravest Person Chris Knows
40. 1:34:02 Chris' Advice to Parents of Transgender Children
41. 1:34:43 Ella's Procedures and the Costs
42. 1:38:23 Statistics on Transgender Employment Rates
43. 1:39:40 Most Memorable Conversation
44. 1:43:19 Paul's Takeaways